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				Re: New Order Apostate
				Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:57 pm
				by slavereeno
				Reuben wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:07 am
Maybe we need some Givens, Bushman and Mason quotes along those lines. They might occasionally help.
 
They are more accepting, this is true.  This makes them magnanimous, except they are constantly used against the unbeliever as jfro18 points out.
 
			
					
				Re: New Order Apostate
				Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:05 pm
				by Mackman
				I fall into the NOA Category as I left and am going back to being a member soon (to keep peace at home) I find it amazing that Richard Bushman can keep his good standing in the church with some of the stuff he has written , same with Patrick Mason.
			 
			
					
				Re: New Order Apostate
				Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:54 am
				by slavereeno
				Mackman wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:05 pm
I fall into the NOA Category as I left and am going back to being a member soon (to keep peace at home) I find it amazing that Richard Bushman can keep his good standing in the church with some of the stuff he has written , same with Patrick Mason.
 
I disagree, you are still NOM, because your motivation is to maintain relationships.