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								by Reuben   »  Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:26 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			Cnsl1  wrote: ↑ Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:24 pm 
-10 Holland for intimating that depression can be fixed by principles of righteousness.
Maybe he thinks he fixes his that way.
Along with his gay.
 
			
			
									
						
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								by MoPag   »  Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:27 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			+10 for calling out sexual harassment.
			
			
									
						
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								by Mormorrisey   »  Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:29 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			Um,  Sexual harassment is not the same as watching a TV show with coarse language, I hate to break it to you Jeff.
			
			
									
						
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								by nibbler   »  Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:30 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			Good thoughts. 
 
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								by Mormorrisey   »  Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:30 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			MoPag  wrote: ↑ Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:27 pm 
+10 for calling out sexual harassment.
But you're right here.  I'll give him a neutral zero.
 
			
			
									
						
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								by Cnsl1   »  Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:32 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			+10 for mentioning that everyone deserves to be loved.  
 
-5 for not clarifying what everyone means
			
			
									
						
										
						 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
				
		
		
			
				
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								by MoPag   »  Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:32 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			Mormorrisey  wrote: ↑ Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:29 pm 
Um,  Sexual harassment is not the same as watching a TV show with coarse language, I hate to break it to you Jeff.
Yes!  This is what really bothers me about his talk!
 
			
			
									
						
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								by MoPag   »  Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:32 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
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								by MoPag   »  Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:36 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			Looks like he got assigned the ministering talk.
			
			
									
						
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								by Mormorrisey   »  Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:38 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			My brain has shut off for a little bit. What's this guy on about?
			
			
									
						
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								by Mormorrisey   »  Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:39 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			MoPag  wrote: ↑ Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:36 pm 
Looks like he got assigned the ministering talk.
And...answered.
 
			
			
									
						
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								by Cnsl1   »  Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:41 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			-10 for "Beloved" RM 
-20 for covenant path
			
			
									
						
										
						 
		 
				
		
		 
	 
				
		
		
			
				
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								by MoPag   »  Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:41 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			Renlund
			
			
									
						
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								by Cnsl1   »  Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:42 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
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								by MoPag   »  Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:42 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			Wow he's talking about the Rwandan genocide.
			
			
									
						
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								by MoPag   »  Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:43 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			Cnsl1  wrote: ↑ Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:42 pm 
+15 for Bacon Backdrop
 
     
			
			
									
						
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								by MoPag   »  Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:43 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			Umm is he about to shame poor people?
			
			
									
						
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								by Cnsl1   »  Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:44 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
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								by nibbler   »  Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:46 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			Bracing for when he says the unfairness of when an election is stolen.  
    
			
			
									
						
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								by alas   »  Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:47 pm 
			
			
			
			
			
			Reuben  wrote: ↑ Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:26 pm  
Cnsl1  wrote: ↑ Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:24 pm 
-10 Holland for intimating that depression can be fixed by principles of righteousness.
Maybe he thinks he fixes his that way.
Along with his gay.
This need more than minus 10.  This is as bad as telling people not to seek medical care for a broken leg and to just getting a priesthood blessing....no, it is worse than that because untreated depression can be fatal and a broken leg is just very painful and doesn’t heal properly.  Like an old dog my dad owned who broke her front paw and the vet treated it and the dog escaped the cone and chewed off the cast.  Over and over till dad stopped taking her to the vet and just let her run on the three good legs.  The leg never healed, but it also didn’t kill her.  But untreated depression can lead to suicide and needs care, so the advice to fix depression by righteous living can be fatal.
Let’s give it at least a minus 200.