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So, popularity aside I’ve come to be a believer once again. As part of that, I’m lookin at garments and trying to sort out what will fit. Did the church change the way these fit? I ordered some bottoms that fit super weird...I ordered short and the run well past my knee. And barely cover my caboose...I’m kinda lost and sense that TBMs basically can’t have this convo. How do I make sense of LDS sizing?

Ben Davis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:03 am So, popularity aside I’ve come to be a believer once again. As part of that, I’m lookin at garments and trying to sort out what will fit. Did the church change the way these fit? I ordered some bottoms that fit super weird...I ordered short and the run well past my knee. And barely cover my caboose...I’m kinda lost and sense that TBMs basically can’t have this convo. How do I make sense of LDS sizing?

Yes, they've revamped them including making them longer.

New styles coming out this month. I'm planning to revisit, but also may make alterations as needed.

Ben Davis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:03 am So, popularity aside I’ve come to be a believer once again. As part of that, I’m lookin at garments and trying to sort out what will fit. Did the church change the way these fit? I ordered some bottoms that fit super weird...I ordered short and the run well past my knee. And barely cover my caboose...I’m kinda lost and sense that TBMs basically can’t have this convo. How do I make sense of LDS sizing?

Tell us more about your reconversion process. Honestly interested, won't judge.

FiveFingerMnemonic wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:17 am

Ben Davis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:03 am So, popularity aside I’ve come to be a believer once again. As part of that, I’m lookin at garments and trying to sort out what will fit. Did the church change the way these fit? I ordered some bottoms that fit super weird...I ordered short and the run well past my knee. And barely cover my caboose...I’m kinda lost and sense that TBMs basically can’t have this convo. How do I make sense of LDS sizing?

Tell us more about your reconversion process. Honestly interested, won't judge.

Yes, please. May ask probing questions, but I am very interested.
As to the G's, I haven't bought them for 6 or 7 years.

Ben Davis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:03 am So, popularity aside I’ve come to be a believer once again. As part of that, I’m lookin at garments and trying to sort out what will fit. Did the church change the way these fit? I ordered some bottoms that fit super weird...I ordered short and the run well past my knee. And barely cover my caboose...I’m kinda lost and sense that TBMs basically can’t have this convo. How do I make sense of LDS sizing?

Sorry I can't help with the garment question because I stopped wearing back in 2011 but I do have to ask ....What were your reasons for not believing in the church and what happened to make you believe again?

Wait... they made garments even longer?

Suddenly holding on to underwear that's old enough to drink is paying off.

Maybe I should buy some new Gs before they go back to ankle length.

nibbler wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:28 pm Wait... they made garments even longer?

Suddenly holding on to underwear that's old enough to drink is paying off.

Maybe I should buy some new Gs before they go back to ankle length.

We are headed for bhurkas next...

Good luck on your path back to Mormonism Ben. Your path is yours to follow.

I miss the old sizing too. They need to bring them back as a "classic" line of garms.

Thoughtful wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:08 am
New styles coming out this month.

Really? Sweet!

Thanks for the replies.

As for my gaining a testimony, I went back to my hometown and drove by the house where a couple of my friends grew up. Their parents were walking up to their door and glanced my direction but I kept driving cause I was early on in a trip down memory lane that needed taking.

About an hour deeper into that same trip down memory lane, I ran into them again at the atm. It was about 9pm and only we were there. Anyway we were swapping memories and catching up. Me wearing a tank top, the father said “how’s your testimony brother?” In response: “Weeeeeeeeeeellllll, I don’t really believe, not angry, just kinda over it.” We continued chatting for another 30 min or so and said our goodbyes. I spent the majority of the weekend with a pal of mine who at one point stated, “I predict you are going to return to the church” and “I replied yeah probs not man, I can’t undo the cognitive dissonance”

A few days later wrote this note to the mother of my friends who I ran into a couple nights prior:

“Carol, I'm so glad I saw you and Newel and so glad you asked about my testimony. I've been wrestling for just about 16 years not getting answers and being frustrated and growing more and more disengaged in the gospel. That Sunday, after immersing myself in all my history and facing the disparity between what I've become and what I wanted to become was fairly humbling. You do your best and all the sudden years have passed and you find yourself where you are. Anyhow, I prayed and asked if all of what we call the gospel is true and if I can come back and be that person I always wanted to be...the answer I got was a yes in the tune of an angelic choir. I don't think I would have sought it out with out the nudge received from you two. Thank you so much. I think we were meant to cross paths and I'm so happy we did.“


Why HF decided to finally give me a witness, who knows. My doubts were eliminated as well as my concerns for the most part. Armed with it, I’m returning to belief. Likely much more liberal but that’s a good thing. It’s awesome to believe again. Losing faith was brutal.


The tl;dr is:
Basically was going on faith for many years.
Sought answers, didn't receive.
Gradually disengaged out of frustration.
Prayed, got an answer.
The answer gave me clarity, direction, joy, etc.


Any questions on this ask away.

What was the answer to your prayer like? Was it the burning of the bosom experience? Would you describe it as an emotional cathartic experience, a moment of intellectual clarity? Thanks for being willing to engage.

Ben Davis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:51 pmThat Sunday, after immersing myself in all my history and facing the disparity between what I've become and what I wanted to become was fairly humbling.

Ben, It sounds like you were on a path that wasn't meeting your expectations for your life. Activity in the church can make people happier if they truly believe that's where God wants them to be, so best of luck with your new fellowship. Please drop in from time to time and let us know how you're doing.

As far as garments, I'm still hoping the church will just print the marks on transparent band-aids that you can wear with whatever kind of underwear suits you!

I hate to say this out loud but here goes.

I can understand your lacking feelings from a sentimental nostalgic point of view. I can totally relate to this:

Ben Davis wrote:That Sunday, after immersing myself in all my history and facing the disparity between what I've become and what I wanted to become was fairly humbling.

The more I think about this void the more I realize it's held wide open by the expectations of the church. I would actually go back if garments, TR's, tithing settlement, and the toxic culture surrounding sexuality and misogyny were eliminated.

The other problem is my beliefs have crossed into atheist territory. If all churches, religions, and philosophy's are man made then I should be ok with choosing the one that fits my needs best. This is the crux of my problem with going back though. I no longer feel the need to find some type of spirituality anywhere.

Yet I'm nostalgic about my mormon past and the current void my disbelief creates with my spouse and family. Is it worth going back to fulfill those? This is what I'm contemplating for 2018.

I'm leaning towards continuing to walk further away and just remember the good old times while living in the present.

Why does this all have to be so tough?

As far as garments go, the only way I'm wearing them again is in the temple as part of temple worship. Let's just hope they don't make you rent the underwear and return it like the rest of the outfit. I ain't wearing temple rental fundie undies!

I’m super happy and excited to engage, but I may not be swift to reply.

FiveFingerMnemonic wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:41 pm What was the answer to your prayer like? Was it the burning of the bosom experience? Would you describe it as an emotional cathartic experience, a moment of intellectual clarity? Thanks for being willing to engage.

Great question, first and foremost clarity, macro sense of direction, spiritual joy. In that order all within seconds to a few days after. I think these things are cyclical, well at least that’s was how it was for me. At first tighter rings around these attributes then successively larger. Which is to say the answer was instant clarity then direction then joy which grew over the next few days. And is maybe still growing.

Hagoth wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:57 pm

Ben Davis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:51 pmThat Sunday, after immersing myself in all my history and facing the disparity between what I've become and what I wanted to become was fairly humbling.

Ben, It sounds like you were on a path that wasn't meeting your expectations for your life. Activity in the church can make people happier if they truly believe that's where God wants them to be, so best of luck with your new fellowship. Please drop in from time to time and let us know how you're doing.

As far as garments, I'm still hoping the church will just print the marks on transparent band-aids that you can wear with whatever kind of underwear suits you!

I love this idea. I’d also be fine marking them with a sharpie, truth be told. I wonder if garments are blessed or if the garment business is strictly $ generating. I know it’s said they are holy, but at what point are they holy? When they get they marks or when they are blessed? Is the factory blessed?

You joined the NOM board on December 17 2017 and your only post has been about how you are returning to church and belief. Not trying to be a dick, but my troll senses are tingling. I'm not buying it.

Ben Davis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:46 amIs the factory blessed?

It is deemed kosher by a rabbi.

When I was a missionary I was told by a branch president in my mission (a loooong-ass time ago) that it was still possible to get patterns to make your own, with church permission. I wonder if that's still the case. I would have gone for red satin.

Ben Davis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:46 amIs the factory blessed?

I "bless" that factory with a signal from the middle finger each time I drive by, does that count?

(KIDDING! I'm only kidding...)

wtfluff wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2018 4:13 pm

Ben Davis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:46 amIs the factory blessed?

I "bless" that factory with a signal from the middle finger each time I drive by, does that count?

(KIDDING! I'm only kidding...)

Bless you, my son.

nibbler wrote: ↑Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:28 pm Wait... they made garments even longer?

Suddenly holding on to underwear that's old enough to drink is paying off.

Maybe I should buy some new Gs before they go back to ankle length.

This made me think of my fav garm whitening recipe. I got it off Pintrest. https://www.pinterest.com/pin/233131718193610026/
And your garms smell so good afterwards too!