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There are any number of things that people place their value in. None of them are necessarily right or wrong or one better than the other. In church I see a lot of people that put value in trust, strength, toughness, loyalty, discipline, and leadership. Nothing wrong with that list but the challenge ...

In your defense, all the new guys are cut from the same mold, they're essentially the same person with a different name. Maybe with the exception of Kearon. That said, I had to google Kearon's name just now. :P My point is that they're all lawyers or rich dudes that are both products of and slaves ...

So what you're saying is that if the cards fall "right" we could be looking at a Bednar presidency that lasts two decades or more.

God wants people to like him, right?

I'll take a different angle...

Why should members continue to sacrifice for an organization that has shown that it is unwilling to make sacrifices for them?

deacon blues wrote: ↑Sun Nov 23, 2025 9:39 am Yep. Classic case of a protective mother projecting her own desires on her son.

That's my mom's most favorite piece!

For now. Maybe under Oaks we won't see a repeat of before where it was an on-again, off-again, one thing one week, another thing the next Saturday evening conference session. I do feel like conference lasted far too long so eliminating one session kinda helps. Reflecting back on my conference ...

NOM constantly times out (never loads) for me when I use the https address. If I use the http address it's fine, so something is still amiss.

Maybe it's under Bednar's pickle.

-The Isaiah fulfillment part about Anthon saying "I cannot read a sealed book" was not part of the original account, but was written in later between the lines in another hand. If google is correct, Harris went to Anthon in February of 1828. The BoM was translated between early April and late June ...

"well, maybe we have spiritual experiences more frequently than they do." Now the real question, does that make someone more superior or less superior? :D I grew up in a surrounding culture that was very Evangelical. Trust me when I say this, Mormons are never going to out-spiritual experience ...

Hard to believe.

Maybe this:

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... ses-of-god

The denial of God or the downplaying of His role in human affairs, which began in the Renaissance, has become pervasive today.

President: Dallas H. Oaks
1st Counselor: Henry B. Eyring
2nd Counselor: D. Todd Christofferson

What would inquiring minds think if 2-4 presidents/prophets died in a single year? I think normal people would say that the model that transitions the role of church dictator to the next oldest guy in the org probably isn't the best model to use. I know it's longest tenured and that doesn't ...

It was this weird story about someone being emotional and probably verbally abusive (they didn't use the word abusive, but that's what it sounded like) to kids in a family and the family decided to be nice to them and then the abusive person magically became nice back. :roll: So the counsel was to ...

Way too busy to watch this time but it sounds as though I didn't miss very much.

I would introduce the term limits for apostleship. Even ignoring the out of touch angle a softer angle that would be more palatable for orthodox members could be allowing more voices in the church to be heard. How many general conference talks has Oaks given? I'm guessing over 100 general ...

I think that's just cult of personality stuff but in Mormonism the cult of personality doesn't center around an individual, it centers around a calling. The person that currently holds the calling is the center of attention and when someone else is called into the venerated position, the new guy ...

From article: had lived in Utah and had a relationship with a woman involved in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. During their conversation, Sanford told him he had his tattoos removed to take part in church ceremonies. Sounds to me like he may have attended/joined. If so it sounds ...

I honestly don't know how I'm going to abide Oaks. This is probably it for me. To be sure, that writing has been on the wall for a long time but it still is difficult to face when the time came. Not looking forward to an even more legalistic, conservative, bigoted church. I wonder if they'll play a ...